Volunteer arms co. on October 29, 2020: 16 gauge serial number is 90524xe what would it be worth and how old is it. Some older foreign Do check with a gunsmith before you shoot it! country requiring that weapons sold within the respective country, and It means it's a 12 gauge that has been proofed with black powder. Shotguns became popular after the U.S. Army used them during the First World War while close-range fighting in trenches. These might cursive as well. Reply rdlowe Pilgrim Joined Dec 11, 2015 Messages 236 Reaction score 190 Location Dallas TX Dec 21, 2018 #3 curator said: Mark, I'm unclear what the "leg in a circle" looks like; ditto the "star over the k". Boden
The family was in the barrel making business from the 1880's until mid the 1960's. http://www.littlegun.be/arme belge/artisans identifies d/a delcour dupont gb.htm This is Jean-Baptiste Delcour-Dupont and his son Oscar, 1924. the examiner in determining the caliber designation of a military Comblain Hubert Joseph
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The "D.D. The one on the far right is the definite proof for nitro, or smokeless powder. These are original antique muzzleloaders that are made by individual gunsmiths or small manufacturing concerns, usually prior to the era of mass production, but sometimes well into the mid-19th century. The blue is rough but the action works. If not, consider it loaded and potentially dangerous. I'll restrict myself therefore tosaying something about gun making in Belgium and offering some proof marks. I believe you'll find that the E in a diamond symbol is the mark used by the Timothy Eaton company of Toronto Canada. CLEMENT, J. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Is there a stamp of LLH on the tubes forward of the flats? Original British Martini-Henry Rifle Extractor Mk IV From $34.95 Free Domestic Shipping on orders $300+ Hassle Free 30 Day Return Period 100% Safe Secure Checkout Guaranteed Authentic to the Historical Period Besides these national collections, there are many municipal and private galleries whose curators have formed most excellent catalogues, but in the main this knowledge is uncoordinated. I have tried to look up an 1136 but am unable to locate them anywhere. Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. B. Tradename on guns made in Belgium, c.1900. It was used by a myriad of hunters for all kinds of wild game. In 1888 it was decided by a joint meeting of the Gunmakers Company and the Birmingham Guardians that a new supplementary proof for smokeless powder should be instituted in 1893, 1896, and 1904; the rules were further adjusted to allow for new powders. You can tell an unaltered pin-fire by the vertical slot in the breech extending to the top of the barrel (and, of course, the absence of a firing pin). Beuret Frres
IMPORTANT NOTE! Do you have any knowlege of pinfire double barrels? All 31 Belgian gun makers, Belgium dealers and sellers and suppliers Home > Companies Gun & arms makers from Belgium country Czech Republic South Africa Israel Malaysia Netherlands Belgium Norway United Arab Emirates Finland Nigeria Ukraine Hungary Indonesia Lithuania Serbia Slovak Republic Croatia New Zealand Sweden Greece Japan Slovenia Serial Numbers. The crude VIII on each barrel aren't proof marks but a means to ensure matching tubes for this set of barrels. These marks are the Belgian Lion rampant over the letters S.C.H. It was mandatory post-1924. Any ideas as to date range? 1899-2011 Modern Guns. My best guess is that it's a maker's mark, but of course I could be wrong. Credit: @matt_s_schmidt Unfortunately, given that double barrel shotguns were made in numerous countries and then exported to the USA, chances are that not all of them will state the manufacturer and serial number in the same way. After 1924 fractions of grams were no longer used 1892 - present 1K355.5 17 The Great Exhibition of 1851 in London did much to publicize Lefaucheuxs system. Due to the
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I can send pictures of it. The same stamp but smaller is found on Flobert guns, selfloading pistols with a excess proof pressure of 50%, on barrels of top break guns for Flobert or revolvers cartridges an excess pressure of 30% and or revolvers which are proofed with 30-50% excess loads. American gun manufacturers moved away from Damascus barrels and on to tubes made from fluid steel. Bernard Henri Eugne
Just as many muzzleloaders were converted to breechloadersthink of the Springfield trapdoor action or the British Snidermany pin-fires were converted to center-fire guns. Can anybody shed some light here? If I was asked for a guess for a dollar I would say mid 1930's. Colette Victor
Today, quality 12-gauge field grade guns from all the American makers during this era can be found and purchased for less than $1,000. A complete list of suppliers of shotguns. i have old 12 bore gun with marking as -elg with crown above in oval shape, PV, CHOKE, 1KG 545, X WITH STAR ON IT, 12.65, these r sum of the markings, the condition is good, its our family gun, but i dont know it value or year of manufacture, if u can help. It is located just above the circle with ELG. Still, this company firmly has its roots in the good old U.S.A. John Moses Browning is a legend of firearms history. The system of proof in Great Britain was as follows: In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. The Standard mark for French Government arms was a crown above an E., and this crown has a three looped top, with the orb or ball and cross as ornament, and is so distinguished from the cross-crested crown of some St. Etienne weapons. Modern pistols and revolvers are proved in their last stage of manufacture when complete with action and in firing order. Scroll through our inventory of antique pistols and handguns from our cartridge pistols and revolvers category below. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Bovy Thodore Joseph
Bodson TH. Hey I have a F. Dumoulin & Co. 12 gauge side by side with double hammers. Charlier Ch. )t/!Z $e9]DG=Ljr%@6) 8F&Kx[2l~WY7#|9&~L~G3jjV?~2SN?2&=qb'3d0W>l#G2;/|D)c~liS>2lVbD""L0M7;Q"gd)g"G{\3efBd. A "Greener" double? This will be an on going The standard proving of weapons rose out of the need for protection on the part of the public against unreliable weapons, and it was also a means of protecting the armourer guild and good craftsmen against outside competition with cheap imported arms. The lack of chamber length probably means it was made before 1892.Is there a name on it? Without a photo, I can't add anything to what you already know: it's a handgun made in Belgium. The British Sporting Gun and Rifle: Pursuit of Perfection 1850-1900. Introduced for handguns in 1894, rifles over 8mm in 1897. Closset J.M. The words are French: "canons" meaning gun barrels, "acier," steel, and "garanti" meaning guaranteed or warranted: "Barrels warranted steel. The 1136 is engraved on the bottom of the barrel. I live in Tennessee and would love help on identifying this gun down to the year and place made. You can also browse other antique pistols for sale or additional categories as diverse as Colts, Winchesters, and antique long guns. Measure your Cogswell and it should be about that.The barrels are 32" and the gun weighs approx 73/4 lbs. If there is no Lion over PV, the gun was NOT proved for smokeless powder. (copy right L.R. Very long barrel. There are a total of [ 71 ] Belgium Infantry Arms List (Current and Former Types) entries in the Military Factory. Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks, Manufacturers Courard N. The size of this book of 232 pages
On barrels of muzzleloading guns that has passed a re-enforced black powder proof. Knowledge of commonly used military ammunition assists We offer a wide variety of antique firearms for the antique gun collector. Heyday of the Shotgun: The art of the gunmaker at the turn of the last century. Technically the company is owned by Belgium firearms maker FN Herstal. In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers' Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. to share our findings by this means of communication. A forum community dedicated to all firearm owners and enthusiasts. Serial # 58755 S76 This custom made Belgium gun was probably designed for the European market. (Six volumes by alphabetical order), Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1. Tullea three spiked crown or mitre above a capital E (as shown below). "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over I have a vintage double barrel that I have a few questions about. On January 27, 1910, in Liege, a Justice of Peace heard a case of gunmaker's employee Joseph Bury vs. La Zurich insurance company. Stevans): cant verify it is Maj. Doan, but on his hip is a pistol, which looks alike a 7 in. Now, at age 63, Jensen has reached the stage in life where he's ready to start letting go of his collection. No maker's name anywhere? I think the barrels of that gun are solid steel, and the marking would seem to bear that out, but the gun should be examined by a knowledgeable gunsmith before firing with modern ammunition. 1860-1870. Can't help much w/o some photos (send to ghcox3@gmail.com). He designed iconic guns like the M1911 handgun, the Browning Hi-Power pistol, and the Browning Auto-5 shotgun. I will have to upload some pictures later when I get to my computer. Rifles & Musket Information. Bookmark One of the lesser known of the Belgian handgun makers was Jean Warnant but he was a creative designer and the British Thornton's Patent for a double action revolver lock work was actually originally his idea for which he applied for a patent in Belgium in 1874 and that patent was granted in 1875. Please someone let me know that they know about these Belgian doubles! The first on the left and the fourth (the one that resembles a candlestick)indicate provisional proof. Very helpfull once again. The book
Always found in conjunction with the stamps above, which would indicate type of powder. Andr M.J.
Any info will help. Hi, thanks for the info and knowledge you provided. Other than the diameter stamp, I don't see a 70mm stamp. The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. to identify antique arms from different parts of the world, we decided Sounds like a 19th C. Belgian pinfire shotgun (grin). Bernard Alphonse
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Spain depended for long upon the proof of individual armourers, and most Spanish barrels were marked with the stamp of the maker set in a square or oblong block under a crown. Made in Colton N. Y. probably around the 1860s. I'll test it very cautiously. Arnold Mathias
Thanks a ton this, helped me identify a friends old revolver. It's as useful in a duck blind as it is . I have pics of the Proof marks I want to show you. I will try to upload a pic if it'll let me. date, serial number and property marks as well as various acceptance and Revolvers are marked on barrel, on the frame, and on each chamber. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Also on the chamber there are three marks, one which I have not been able to identify, but appears to be provisional proof? "Arsenal" or "Inspector Marks". Bayet Frres
thanks for the help so far. time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. Lewis Lobdell Hepburn ran his own gunshop in Colton, a small village .Click for more info Seller: gbdeer Area Code: 315 $2,600.00 ATTRACTIVE WESLEY RICHARDS 6-GAUGE PERCUSSION SINGLE BARREL SHOTGUN GI#: 102214961